#2 Chelsea Sedoti

Wednesday, June 14th


Chelsea Sedoti: Debute author of THE HUNDRED LIES OF LIZZIE LOVETT and the upcoming book AS YOU WISH. Known for her unique character voices, she explains her process of nailing a challenging character. Find her at http://chelseasedoti.com/books


You are listening to the about the off their pod cast your health Christen Claris I host a morning show us ready six point five KO IT exhibit this option and also on the side and an aspiring writer. And I want to create this podcasts and for all different kinds of writers from beginning expert has it all deal with the same thing he. And I doing their rights saying how I handled this particular problem that I'm facing these aren't any other authors out there fighting the same problems. A better way to get those answers than to tucked two cents or don't mock others like guest today is Chelsea Dodi she's the debut author of the hundred lies of Lizzie let that. And gels has a new book coming out called app. As you wish. She's milk for her unique character voices and she explains your process of nailing a challenging character. See you so much for appearing on the things you don't. Tell me how long have you been writing it was the first tiny. Sports. I started writing stories that plan islands in the fourth grade. Actually. We had to keep these daily journals every day where our teacher would write a topic on the board we had to write about it and I was always a bit of a lackluster student and so just completely did not. I decided I didn't like the journals and I didn't do any of the work so it's considered. Instead of just failing me like some teachers would have done and this wonderful woman said she pulled me inside and that why how can we get your right OK what if you don't right. But if you don't rain on the topics every day what if instead you write a short story. So I started doing short stories and absolutely. Fell in love with it. Really and so when did you ever sit down as a child and and crafts like novel ideas or was it just short stories at that point. On I have. Oval I've got so many notebooks in my house to stacks and stacks of notebooks from Yunel. From that this when I was in the fourth grade and on and they're filled with. Beginnings of novels once a month of beginning the played three chapters and then and then I was done. Especially. Around high school is public the worst time for that who knows how many novels I started in high school so I guess I needed some. To learn a little bit more about responsibility. And hard work before I could actually sit down and write an entire book. Right now that kind of leads me into my next question did you have any formal training in writing did you major edit in college. No I actually study film in college because. For a while I thought that. I it was really leaning more toward screenwriting. And honestly sometimes I still think maybe I should've gone with that. Passed because you should. Seeing my first drafts they are pages and pages of dialogue. And I have to go through later and say okay cool where is this scene even happening all out as people talk and. Yeah we'll lower the ad that belly just to does that I want it talk TO later in the podcast about your dialogue can I found that to beat this stand out of your novel. Onkyo and so do you studied film did you do screenwriting in in college. Yeah ask Sally took a bunch of screenwriting classes and I did creative writing classes here and there. But let's just a handful classes over the course of my life not. Necessarily any formal training probably the best training that I had it was. Just too reading constantly. Yeah I you know I hear about a lot and I know that a lot of great authors I think David was Steven king that's edit that you can't be a writer without being a reader as well. And the interesting thing I think about writing is did you ever read any books on right. I actually read Steven king spoke on writing. It which is titled on writing on and I adored outlook. I pay it. How the. Passages of some books that writer friends appointed Al. So are really great but I haven't ever sat down and just read books about rating. Because. A lot of trouble reading nonfiction. And my mind just turns to go to Morales. So. Looks about rating would classify is that against. Our rights getting into the book shall punish the idea. Well I got the idea by being weird basically. There is the ice I'm newspaper article a ballot teenager. From my a city who had gone missing. And there was nothing particularly interesting about and one in every disappearance. Is interesting and somewhat I don't need to make it sound trivial it's as there wasn't a big mystery surrounding it it seemed like she probably just run a what it. But for some reason I just really really latched on to the story and found myself obsessively. Checking for. Updates about this girl image she'd been Al -- what her family was saying and what her boyfriend was saying and it got to the point where I it's sort of had to step back and say okay why are you so involved in this missing persons case that has nothing to do with you. And so athletic so but it it's sort of sparked something in and started thinking and you know what if there was a character. Who was in the situation but it wasn't able to pull herself back and instead just got more and more involved in something that had nothing to do with her. You're really and it's for action for I look at her hair was. I don't know I think the admitting that have. So little out there she's out there and you know what that's okay because I found her to be a very refreshing character 'cause I read a lot of young adult fiction. And sometimes. A female main character kind of gates into one of three different categories. And you front page like ego OK it's gonna be this kind of a girl. And with possible aren't I tried to do that with power I said will weird she fit in. In the scope of other books that I have read other main character females. And I couldn't pinpoint it I was like man here's a girl who's genuinely awkward. She's not the quirky like beautiful like guys you know. Everybody loves me I. I'm so weird like this is a genuinely weird girl has weird spots and says things that normal people wouldn't say out loud although probably all thinking it and I just thought man that is such a refreshing ink character. And you that is in Austin compliments. And another thing is heard dialogue in the book. I'm gives her a really amazing sense of Kirk gives the reader an amazing sense of who she is as a person. How did you craft her dial. I I've got a question a lot of times about how I found Hawthorne's boys and the truth is. I don't know I sat down to start writing finally had sort of had that idea for the book in my head for years. And sat down to finally died insulated and her boys to sort of came ounce. And I find that. Because I loved dialogue and I loved characters characters are always the most important part of books for me. And so I spend so much time thinking about them that you usually. They're boys to sort of inserts itself without me really trying. It's it's the plot that I have to spend for adversity in their thinking about trying to work through where is the voice and the dialogue is. The natural part of writing ingesting. Now let Ager writing process like what you describe your typical. It's funny I was just telling someone that that. I assume so you rape first book and you think. You're basically saying let me see if I can actually do this and you have no idea what to expect. And I figured all after that first book it. It'll get easier because all know what I'm doing and so I'll have a system and I'll have you know all have a plan. And so when irate book to all. Sort of how the boost. But rating my second book was actually completely difference. Then writing the first book and now I'm trying to right. My third book and it's completely different from the other two are so. I really. I keep expecting. At some point to find something that really works and that I really stick with on. Especially in terms of how much do I know beforehand do I have an outline do I have a you know. A list of chapters. Or do I have just a rough sketch or two I know absolutely nothing before going in but honestly it's completely different. Every single time and so some days it's. Waking up and sitting down and just writing nines nonstop for eight hours other days it's staring at a computer. Wondering why am stuck other days it's. Okay well I really don't know where this is going so let me outline in spending. Hours rearranging post it notes trying to figure out what order events should happen and and it's. It's really never typical each unfortunate. Lang say your post it notes author of and oh I am definitely love my post denounce issue and I know a lot of it's either index cards post it notes are scraps of paper it's it's all over the place. A lot of people do all of that sort of outlining. Online that are on the computer now. You know with scribner or whatever whatever program using an I can't do it I need to have something that I can physically touch and pick up and move around or it's like my brain doesn't function or at what age. Yet it's it's funny as I tried to beat like Yale. I tried to have the post this in the index cards and I tried to you know writing night my outlines on that and I found myself losing them and midnight of the disorganized. And just craziness and so I do all my online. Just because I tend to be very methodical I wanna see it all I want from. One sheet of paper pointed BO com but I mean I I talked authors that. That have their whole walls covered in just post it notes. And it's very cool I I admire you I wish I could do that it seems much more creative and and free flowing because on my computer have to include in a hunt and peck and looked around and okay am Greece in this and moving this year. But it you know it every. Works for our different things work for different people. But it certainly is nice to have everything in one place and like that you don't have a mess but it's sure you know. If it's nice weather and you decide to open a window you don't have every post chill below wall to wall which has happened to me that's channel and the Vegas here especially having lived there for many years I mean it can now to story room you know probably your dryer and. So should take me back a little bit about the hundred Liza Lindsay Levitt was that the the first book published that you have. Yes it's my first book. Completely. Which I feel Mary. Lucky to be a wouldn't say that because lots of people have you know several failed books that they. Tried to get an agent went there tried to find a publisher with that didn't go anywhere but. Yep before Lizzie I was just writing short stories and trying to hit. Sort of learn a little more about discipline and get myself used to writing on a schedule and Lizzie was my first. And so you've completed a second book right now it's just not published yet. Right angles coming out in January of 2000 clean well congratulations on that that's the main thing. Thank you animal may be illegal get a little teaser on it later in the show but on the I'm curious again about the rating date for you are you do you find that you write better with music on or do you need absolute science. I need silence well actually I don't need silence but I can't have music it's. I ate I can write with plenty of distractions like if my husband is talking on the phone or the dogs are barking or someone's got that he neon. I have no trouble writing what background noise but music specifically. In less IA really cultivate a playlist that it's the scene I'm writing it I just have music playing at random. I will start hit take on the mood of that music and it'll just. Infiltrate my scenes so I try not to have any at all. How much do you typically right in that day. Oh. I would say I hate. I am satisfied if I you write 2000 words a day. And how long that take Keogh is that something you get up in the morning at 6 AM to do and you're not done until five or if you have a specific writing time. I at all I'm working. I'm writing. I didn't quite realize is before being published how much time I would spend doing things related to a rating job that aren't actually writing so. There is time dedicated to other stuff. Lots of answering emails and you know not very exciting and glamorous. Things legion. Lots of answering emails lots of Reading especially if you're. This is gonna go off on a tangent he wanted to go into a hug and especially if your. A young adult author I don't know how this works within. You know the adult writing world. But it when it do you have a book when year and debut author meaning that you're being published for the first time. You usually joined a debut group. Which is amazing because there's a bunch of other people you know hundreds of other people who are at the same exact stage in publishing as you are and no one knows what they're doing and everyone is having anxiety attacks every day and it all confusing and overwhelming and so having that support network is. Just so so important. Well one of the one of the things that these debuted groups do what are. Our tours now arcs are advanced reader copies so early copies of the book. And you sign up for it you can go look at all of the debut books that are coming out in the next year and see what's ones that. Most interest you and sign up to be honest persons are more so than they send you their book. And you read it and when you're done with that you sent it to the next person on the list in the next person and so wanting to read all of these books. And then it you know goes support these authors online writer reviews for it and tell other people about their books. And I. I got a little overzealous. Because there were so many books that I want to read and so there's a lot of time that. Is spent reading and it's so fun reading and it's not like it's. Work. Exactly. But it's so reading that I have to deal and I have to do and a certain amount of time and you know than going in reviewing those folks and that kind of thing that takes up a lot of time. Poker events take up a lot of time. Doing different interviews things like events and a lot of sending emails. Now do you dish or agent pitcher in the debut and debut groups or is this something that somebody can find a volatile. Now it's something that. While I think my agent. Actually suggested it can mean I had been planning on joining anyway but usually. If you. You know you're encouraged to use social media alive Adams. A writer and this is one of my failings. But it is if you post on Twitter about your book deal when you get it. Then some on usually direct you to the right group or you know if you see other book deals coming out you can sort of it's look on their Twitter and see what they're doing it eventually make your way to it. Now okay. Just now do you write every single day I know you're doing it full time but he even on weekends. I it usually don't on weekends except for when I'm just really really excited and have an idea that I need to get out. Which is still some time now yeah out. Now deal when you don't feel like writing. Austerity computer and moaned at the yen that's. That's the huge challenge because it's we before getting published it was still. I still thought of it as a hobby and now it's a job and it's had to change my expectations because with any job there are going to be days you just do not feel like. Going into work and I don't have that choice now so. And they said at the computer and there are days when I have really really bad in writer's block and I might write a paragraph all day. And then there are other days were raiding news it's amazing and it makes up for it but I do. I forced myself to at least attempt to write every day even if I'm not pleased with. What I've gotten out solely due for writer's block. Again just panic mostly. No I try to go for walks who heard. Take it shall were org do something physical where I can just let my mind wander really. Just letting my mind wander is the only way that I can really get over it. Because it's one of those things writer's block I really feel like the more you sit there and obsess over something and think about something. The Maury or preventing yourself from ever for getting over that hurdle especially when there's. Staters just plot point that I cannot figure out and I know something needs to happen. The more I try to think about it the last chance. I'm going to be able to find a solution and I only can get results when I try to force myself to not think about it. I know that writer's block is a big issue and every an issue that all of us face that right. Com but what is one of the most difficult things about writing for Yale. Com what is it tense. Is it's you know the plots like plotting things down at. Com some people it's dialogue I don't think you really have that problem but I'm what what is specifically about writing is the most challenge. Description is incredibly hard for me I'm envious of writers who can just write this blowing gorgeous. Pros with these beautiful descriptions that you in this scene in my mind just doesn't work like that and so it's always very very. Bare bones for me I don't. I hardly give places descriptions I hardly give character description it's just. I'd rather know what's going on in the character's head so that's always a struggle and then I. I guess I do hate to say it but you know plot is never going to be. My strong point because my books are so character driven and I do as well as I can with plot but it's not going to be the most exciting. Twisty plot driven book. And obviously that's OK somebody think it was somebody would do it like how this great. But he never get notes from your editor like hey you need more description here we need to know what this looks like. I have yet my editor has I've gotten some maybe we should ground this scene in terms. Have you ever had to re right asking completely from your for your editor. On. When you think not but with the Lindsay with my second book there were a couple scenes. Where. The scene at this teens stayed the same at the scene accomplish the same basic goals that I can think of one in particular where she wouldn't. Told me you know this is not working at all but isn't it getting absurd. Now. I wanna touch on this is it something that I I'm going through right now they know a couple of other matter reading frenzy going through it as well. Did self doubt ever keep you from from writing. Self ballot is. The curse that every writer will always base I think. I don't know a single writer who doesn't have self doubt and it. And I've got friends who were on any New York Times best sellers list and they're still. Can thinking and talking about how they're horrible writers so I think that that's just part of it and then trips me out all the time constantly is you know. I'll get a new book and I'll sit down OnStar to read it and my first thought will be well this is so good and then immediately turns into. I can never write recognition for what we have been writing it all allele on that feeling. And I'm pretty sure that. It just comes with being a writer when you spend your life sitting there trying to analyze characters and analyze situations and analyze everything of course you're gonna start analyzing yourself to. That's just the way we think so how do you deal with it. I don't. I. I. Personally I just tie it to not think about it as much as possible. I have I have a friend who. She deals with her own self doubt like she needs to. Have someone reaffirm. Her all the time and social send bits and pieces of her writing N'sync. Well as the story still moving forward okay is this still are raking it does this character makes sense that she will do something like that hit to get over it you know she just has someone sitting there saying. Yeah this is good keep calling it a boost her enough to continue. The thought of sending it unfinished work like that to someone and to read it is absolutely paralyzing him me. So I don't want that kind of reassurance I would rather just try to block everything out and rake the entire book and not talk about it with anyone until it's done and then send it and then. Go have a panic attack and what they get back to. And that's a that's one way to deal with the absolute panic on the so how do you keep yourself motivated. Every day so you're done with the second buck you are you still working on the third. Yeah I am well I'm actually. I there's a good bit of it that's written and now it's a book that I decided to just jump in here with out outlining which. I don't know what I was thinking you know it's like and thank you it's never the way I expected to be. I thought that I worked a certain way and then I decided what is gonna completely go into this blind and so. I got a fair bit written and then it got stuck in the what in my doing slog so now I'm sort of going back and outlining it even though the book is already. Like exists a little bit in some form. So that's sort of been interesting because it's completely backwards. On asked for motivation. I think having other writer friends is some of the best motivation because. I. You know writers compare themselves to other people you can't not in so. When you see them all meeting their goals I think that that's sort of gives you a little bit of a boost to hurry up then. Get moving on your own projects. I also have a group of writer friends will be due writing spreads throughout the day where will basically say OK it's. You know. The next thirty minutes is ratings times so we just we all go right in the wake tech back in when the thirty minutes is up to compare you know word counts. And that's great because you have someone sitting their holding you accountable. Because at it it is that the call when know what's holding you accountable for anything in your just left completely to your own devices. It is hard to find motivation especially because writing is hard and there is writer's block their self doubt there's a million other things stopping you and so. For me me you were own group of people. Where you can seek people out who will hold you accountable is actually been really beneficial for me. I imagine that would be like the idea of the writers difference I think that's a great idea and something I might incorporate into my don't like his many it would gives you an immediate gold you can accomplish and then compare it so it's really fantastic. And one of the things that I thought was interesting in this kind of leads into my next question. Is it you're about the other page at the back of the book you said that I you had some friends on a read it now or helpful in creating the buck. Did you belong to a writer's group do you know these people was it just kind of I hap hazzard group of people that you learn to know over the Internet. My credit friends are the greatest people in the world and I'm so excited to be able to talk about them. So years ago when I decided to get serious about writing at least is seeking out different channels to meet people and I'm not at a not good at Twitter. You can be bad at Twitter exactly but however it is I am I'm just not good at Twitter. And so I was looking for heard different options and it. And already prone to browsing right at all the time and there's a some credit for everything so I found a young adult writers subtract it. And it over the course of the year. He came pretty good friends with this group of people and then we became and we started our own Google hang out when we talk all day and they are people do writing sprints with an average winds at different levels of publication in and we went on her retreat together last year rating retreat. And actually met for the first time in person and down. It's really gone. From just being Internet friends or read it friends to being buried close real life friends that I rely on completely. Might. My favorite critique partners are from that group so. I really don't know what I would do without them now UE one of the most successful. People become weaker. Comment. There are. Varying levels there's some people who are still in the querying process a lot of people who are agents it. And I am the first one to have a book come outlet. One of the my friends from their group and a per month that has her debut novel coming out. This fall how can you tell us the title. It's cat meg conquered the world. Oh fantastic we'll have to tech probably. On. So. Now that we know a little bit about your writing style and how you prepare and how you wrote the block and the people that helped you along the way now it's talk about the querying stage. On because they know that's a really daunting seats for a lot of people. When 200 lies of Lizzie love that was done how many agents did you query. So querying is. My worst nightmare and I hope I never have to do it again because it was five are at the worst part of the writing process. And they're still planning another time for you to get a million rejections and you know I'll have a million terrible things happen in the light of your book but at least once you have an agent you have someone professional. Sitting mayor saying I believe in you and I believe in your work and that makes all the difference so. When I it. This was ready to start querying IE it. I spent. And it hurt in the researching agents. I mean it wasn't just like it wasn't just an hour looking it was Blake. For a while it was. A full time job basically trying to find out every single bit of information I could about all of these different agents reading all of needs in her music done stocking their social media reading. Other books that they represented in hell I had to eat. Well cultivated a list I think of agents that we're not just good agents but agents who I really specifically. Felt like I would be able to connect with. And so. I actually. Had a really really short. Time after sending my queries Alec and by the agent that I ended up signing with Susie Townsend it was just awesome. Was in my first group of ten queries. And so I feel like. A lot of people are amazed by that and say you know that's that's so lucky I queried word six months or weary for two years or at queried. Five different books and I know that I I am very fortunate to have gotten an agent that quickly but I also think that a lot of people who. If they know an agent is good. They were queried at agent without actually stepping back and thinking is that agent good for me and doing all that research so I think that. The amount of time that I put into. Seeking out agents or actually sending a single letter really helped feed the time that. Between sending letters and signing it you know shortened considerably. You know I ticket online at writing course with Mindy covered. She's in Seattle she's the agents of emerald city publishing. And she said the same thing she's like look this is not even nasty email everybody. And she was saying how she is breaking down the latter like what needs to be included and she said the first paragraph should show how much you know me. And at what she done her research me I want you to reference things that I sat on my Twitter I want you reference books that I've I've party worked with or had a party at. Od did you do that with your letter as well. Yeah I did include some personal invasion and then a query letter itself. I'd probably added about fifteen different versions of it than IE it was just. Making people read over and over again would you like this one better this little what if I use this part of this when in this part of this one and so McCrary letter itself. Is. To me it's it's harder than writing a book. Query letters are. Dip a cult because you have to be professional but you also have to sell yourself and you have to make your book sound really exciting and boil it down who basically a paragraph and so. That's another thing that. Anyone getting ready to query should really spend a long long time on. Did you go to any town conventions did you meet any of the agents in person. Before you sent them. No I did and I may feel like Derek. I know so much more now than when I started querying I knew. Well you send a query letter to agents and then you hopefully sign with someone and since then I met so many people who have taken different routes who have done. Which contests on Twitter or have gone to conventions and pitched agents or. Have actually signed with a publisher first and then got an agent after words and it's sort of been enlightening to me that there are so many had publication that I was completely unaware of just think. You are right. The hundred lines. Writing the first track was probably hit a ballot. Eight months. This was when I you still had a full time job though and so. It was just writing in the evenings so that was the first draft and then revising. Was. Actually took quite a big break in between writing and revising and so then revising was you know another few months. So it was probably altogether it was probably a year before I was ready to send anything out. You know it is ready to send out. I didn't think I'd feel lake. Sometimes you never really know it just got to the point where I had. Messed with it so much and I'd gotten feedback from critique partners and I just didn't know what else liken doodle it I was. Stuck basically and it was. You know well are you gonna just sit on this book forever you're gonna get over your fear and take the plunge and actually try to find an agent now. Now when CC got its com how soon after she contact Jim. See you see some I don't think that Susie is human and if it because she. Greens so quickly and she is so fast with responses. So she'd actually it. It was like a couple days she sent I sent it to her maybe two days later she. Send an email that requesting the full manuscript. And then it was two days after that maybe that she sent another email about setting up a phone call to cash in general but in today's. Oh ice where she reads books and let a couple hours. And make cash. We'll defer her to see EG kind of revisions or anything the forty so ninety. Yeah how we did it or not before I sign when I signed its. With the book as a was but before we sent out on submissions editors and we did do around or revisions together. Did she have come editors and mines for that revision. Yes she I didn't actually know who she won't tell her clients which editors specifically she's sending two of it is some people get obsessive been crazy. So I didn't so I knew that she had editors in mind and I knew which publishing house that she was submitting to but I didn't know specifically which editors. Now I have on my list of questions. Why did you choose to go with your agent. But I feel like that's kind of an a new question I asked you because Suzy Townsend is a legends. And I think if you are ready young adult fiction in this the world you know we CD Townsend is around. So but it was there anything I guess in particular that made you really want her answer agents. I actually ended up so I got Susie made the offer. And then net. IE once you get an offer from an agent you need to let all of the other agents have the manuscript noted there's an offer pending basically to let them. Decide what they wanna do and I god. An offer from another agent who is also a very well respected agent and no. Was one of my eight hopefuls. And I talked to her and she was also lovely. And so. Isolated and it happened to pick between two of my train agents and it what is. It really upsetting toys to have to make you think you want that choice you think like. Having multiple people interested in your book is the best thing that can happen but then you had to make the decision to reject someone finish it becomes something very daunting. So. Really they were both. Incredible agents they were both talented they are both well respected and it just came down to. I had a gut feeling about Susie. Now was there anything if you've had this discussion with her or not. But it was there anything in your letter at that stuck out to her that made to her interest it and you. I actually want or ask dad I don't know you know what made you stand out you know I mean it's just interesting book and if you haven't ready yet. Go and read it because it's unlike a lot of things that are out right now so I imagine that it must've stood out to her and she would this is a really cool concept. I am. I don't maybe I'll ask her one day did you announce or I don't think that my query letter I would never even happy with it so I don't think it was Blake. One of the greatest Cleary got percent. Yeah I know it's weird what this sometimes they're looking for something in particular need to happen and a cabinet fit that mold you know. What is it though processing up process like for publishing forty cadets had to be different you know here you do you've. You've done the writing all the creative stuff that we go into rating for. Fumbled what happens after. Publishing is an absolute whirlwind. Again I feel like they're so many things that I did it knows so. You go one submission first period to editors and hopefully get someone interested in it hopefully get multiple publishers interested and it. And you know have the opportunity to take your book auction. And during this entire process and your editor at the publishing house is really your champion and I I I didn't quite understand. What editors did it before getting published I thought that all they did was sit down and look through your book and do edits in that was it but there's actually. Us like sales the aspects to the job where they have to take your book and they have to take it in front of a bunch of people people who. Are looking for reasons to not spend money on a book and point out all of the ways that you know this book is awesome in this book is great. For this publisher in particular and this book is worth the money that we're about to put into it and down. So. Without process was very new and very different to me and I know has tripped a lot of people up by to have. Writer friends who. Have had an editor for instance who absolutely loves their book and falls in love with it but just can't you know get past that hurdle. Of selling it to their publisher because that's not exactly right for their brand or you know. They're a million reasons why someone might not wanna spend money on the book they just bought another book that was two some alert and so. I imagine that that would be really devastating to know that there is an editor who believes in you and loves the books so much and you know yet. It doesn't turn into a publishing deal. But did go up for auction rate. Yes it did in my house publishing house's interest. There were three different publishing house's interest did and again it was a difficult decision. And I ended up going with a source folks fired. Which is an independent publisher and I know that. There independent publishers. Can be very questionable. I know that there are some. Very small publishers. Where they function almost like vanity presses. Where they're putting your book out there but door. Spending money on ads or independent publishers where. Some of their practices are just really shady which infuriates me because playing with an author's dreams like that is just evil. So it is it is always a risk going with someone who's independent. But it. Source books is has none of those issues thankfully and I actually who loved being with the small publisher it. Is a much different feel in a much different experience than there are you know pros and cons both ways when with a big publisher tiny one of course. But. Source books has done so much for me and I absolutely have not regretted the decisions it. Go with them to sit on a book tour. I didn't want a book tour but I did go. All over the last year or sons. Pre book publicity so there all of these big writing conventions and the conventions are mainly or not other writers or regular readers but they're four. Librarians. And booksellers and book bloggers basically the people who are going to get your ball into the hands a breeders'. And so it. Once you have the marks the advanced copies of your book. You give a lot of these copies out all of these. These bloggers and whatnot so that they can. Decide whether or not they wanna promote your book basically and start getting word out there and so. Source spoke sent me around all of these big conventions. Where did signings and panel that met all of these other off Thursday and it was just. Very exciting. And were actually in just getting it's getting to be convention time again so. In June I'll be doing a lot of traveling to do a lot of these same promotional things for my second book. The second but can you tell us anything about it. Yeah I it's called as you wish and it's about. Teenager who lives in this. Strange. Talent in the middle of the Mojave Desert where everyone gets to make a wish when they turn eighteen in a wish that's guaranteed to come true. And it has some disastrous results as wishing often does. Well that sounds fascinating. I was wondering how is it going to be like a princess striking as he went ashore and her. That's so her aides. Now when it comes to writing okay so you are so many different things you have to go through and your creative person in your party movement on the tier third book now. But do you ever go back and look at reviews. 400 lies of Lizzie Lovett. I don't well I sometimes they stumble on them it's funny because slick. It's a minefield. When your writer you just shouldn't go on the Internet is so for instance oh awhile about someone did a due to review of my book and it was a very positive reviews so on Twitter they and they add to me and it. So usually and author configure wolf if this reviewer is tagging unit probably safe to look at. So I went and I do watch the review and it was really really great. And I happened to glance down at the comments. Before clicking away and the top comment was this is the worst book I've ever red hot fished. And there's just like there are things awaiting all over for that. But I don't torture myself by going on good reads and reading Harry is I actually have one of my friends. Occasionally we'll go pull some of the good reviews for me and Italian and I can read them. A lot of authors do that for each other because Gatorade can just be soul crushing and I do ask you know a cabled canyon lake that the gist of the negative reviews I don't wanna read them myself because in other calling these me gifts and whatnot. Is an I don't need to. But I tell them I I asked for the gist of that minutes usually something like. While all of the bad reviews are saying that you know. They just hate the main character so much mentally locate that's pretty much I knew that going into the it's not that she's not going to be everyone's cup of tea in and so. Just couldn't figure out what people are saying about it without seeing the hurtful comments myself. Well you really great group of friends and absolutely I'm very lucky. And now is there anything we should be reading now is there a favorite book that you read that we need to go out and get. Oh let's see it. Here's the problem and I need tighter remember which has so much of what I've been reading it are 2017 books I don't wanna start recommending books that aren't actually out yet. I'm not one of my recent favorites is has had famous by Chile gagged then which is absolutely hilarious. I like funny books a lot so. That's been at the top of my list and then and then. I'm look oh. I don't think it's actually out yet but I think it's coming out within the next month is called the gallery of an unfinished girls but boring cars. And it's a magical realism. And I don't see a lot of magical realism so I get really excited every time I stumbled on one. Sentenced. Now where you're. You can get my book. Anywhere yet Barnes & Noble on Amazon and all of the usual. Places where you can buy books and actually at that target new which is really excited just not attack yesterday. Not every book makes it in the target of course because they have limited shelf space so when you do see that your book got into target it's kind of are really big deal which seems may be funny to people outside of the rating community because they're Iginla just target of the words every writer is like. It isn't hard this is the best thing that's ever happened. That's exciting. Now the last could Seau is asking is is there any thing they do you want aspiring writers to now. I think the most important part is to note that it's not going to be easy and that your basically. Choosing a half where you're going to have to deal with rejection. All the time and that's really difficult I mean. When your first writing the book and you send it to your first readers and they come back with critiques and then when you're looking for agents and you get rejections from your queries and then when editors are rejecting UN and when the book is out there in the world and you've got all kinds of readers who are saying the book is terrible. You're facing rejection all the time and it's hard to not let that get you and mess with your head. But it. You really shouldn't you really should just power through it because. Reading and such a subjective experience I can go look up any of my favorite books and reader reviews and find a 1000001 star reviews that say that the book is. Terrible I can find. You know there's somebody famous folks out there that editor after editor rejected an and they got out into the world and readers Allen love with them and so. You just need to keep in mind that just because you get a rejection from one person or prompt and people. Doesn't mean that you should quit and it doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who won't love your story as much as you'd care. The look is behind relies heavily as it Leavitt Chelsea's a study thank you so much for appearing on the podcast today thank you for having me. You so much to my guest today Chelsea's fidelity the author of the hundred lies of Lizzie Lovett. You can find here at Chelsea says daddy dot com you can also reach out to me at 96 by KO IT Ari can reach out to me personally at Kristen on point if you're published author and would like to be on the podcast you can go ahead and now meet Kristen ad Cahill IT dot com. 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